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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://blog.fluentsimplicity.com/2008/08/26/how-to-not-use-twitter/#comment-600</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say: &quot;Comments from “Amanda Chapel” are on the edge of what’s acceptable discourse.&quot; Well, at that point it had tipped over. (See the end one at http://search.twitter.com/search?q=&amp;ands=&amp;phrase=&amp;ors=&amp;nots=&amp;tag=&amp;lang=all&amp;from=amandachapel&amp;to=charlesarthur&amp;ref=&amp;near=&amp;within=15&amp;units=mi&amp;since=&amp;until=&amp;rpp=50 which started from someone I follow saying they were going to unfollow @amandachapel. I suggested they should because I found @amandachapel &quot;dire&quot; and had unfollowed earlier. At which it kicked off. I&#039;m being called an asshole? (With f-word emails as well.) And ignorant? And asinine? You call that discourse? On a New York street if you bump into someone, maybe. 

The second part of my suggestion was &quot;it&#039;ll keep your hands off the keyboard, and you might end up happier&quot;. Note that it&#039;s not insulting the person. If you&#039;re American and strait-laced, you might find it unbelievably rude, I guess. That&#039;s a cultural thing: I&#039;m British, and that&#039;s British humour. Like most humour, it&#039;s not literal. (Well, you said you laughed.)

Timing matters too: this was a Sunday night, far outside my working hours. 

You say: &quot;Most companies have people that are authorized to speak to the press; as a journalist, would you jump on comments made by someone with a direct company connection? Is this to much?&quot; I&#039;d be amused by their approach, to be honest. Trolls are trolls. You might as well get some amusement from them, since they&#039;re getting theirs off you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say: &#8220;Comments from “Amanda Chapel” are on the edge of what’s acceptable discourse.&#8221; Well, at that point it had tipped over. (See the end one at <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=&amp;ands=&amp;phrase=&amp;ors=&amp;nots=&amp;tag=&amp;lang=all&amp;from=amandachapel&amp;to=charlesarthur&amp;ref=&amp;near=&amp;within=15&amp;units=mi&amp;since=&amp;until=&amp;rpp=50" rel="nofollow">http://search.twitter.com/search?q=&amp;ands=&amp;phrase=&amp;ors=&amp;nots=&amp;tag=&amp;lang=all&amp;from=amandachapel&amp;to=charlesarthur&amp;ref=&amp;near=&amp;within=15&amp;units=mi&amp;since=&amp;until=&amp;rpp=50</a> which started from someone I follow saying they were going to unfollow @amandachapel. I suggested they should because I found @amandachapel &#8220;dire&#8221; and had unfollowed earlier. At which it kicked off. I&#8217;m being called an asshole? (With f-word emails as well.) And ignorant? And asinine? You call that discourse? On a New York street if you bump into someone, maybe. </p>
<p>The second part of my suggestion was &#8220;it&#8217;ll keep your hands off the keyboard, and you might end up happier&#8221;. Note that it&#8217;s not insulting the person. If you&#8217;re American and strait-laced, you might find it unbelievably rude, I guess. That&#8217;s a cultural thing: I&#8217;m British, and that&#8217;s British humour. Like most humour, it&#8217;s not literal. (Well, you said you laughed.)</p>
<p>Timing matters too: this was a Sunday night, far outside my working hours. </p>
<p>You say: &#8220;Most companies have people that are authorized to speak to the press; as a journalist, would you jump on comments made by someone with a direct company connection? Is this to much?&#8221; I&#8217;d be amused by their approach, to be honest. Trolls are trolls. You might as well get some amusement from them, since they&#8217;re getting theirs off you.</p>
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		<title>By: fluentsimplicity</title>
		<link>http://blog.fluentsimplicity.com/2008/08/26/how-to-not-use-twitter/#comment-599</link>
		<dc:creator>fluentsimplicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 00:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

Thank you for your comment. I wanted to use this exchange as a means to discuss discourse on Twitter.

Comments from &quot;Amanda Chapel&quot; are on the edge of what&#039;s acceptable discourse. The view, however, questions the value of certain activities on Twitter. Her scathing viewpoints were also directed at other people follow -- and know personally -- on Twitter. They acknowledged and did not choose to attack. You&#039;re an accomplished professional. Why engage the other person at that level? 

Twitter itself is a fantastic resource -- so much that I spend my time indexing brands and conducting research as to the best use of the tool. 

As for acting as the representative of a company: no, unless specifically defined, the account is yours and does not belong to a company. Let me share a quick story: I once posted a comment in a community about my experience with a certain vendor. It was fairly innocuous and did not single out one individual. After the particular vendor heard about my comment, it turned into a mess. (They don&#039;t quit eunderstand social media, which is amusing as it&#039;s a Web agency). 

In looking to expand the way businesses can &quot;join the conversation,&quot; providing guidelines that the more tech-hesitant exec&#039;s can follow is of great value. Now, it could be that I&#039;m jaded by my law firm background, and if so, I&#039;m envious of a position where my executives are less likely to care if I tell someone to go wank off (even if it&#039;s called for!). Most companies have people that are authorized to speak to the press; as a journalist, would you jump on comments made by someone with a direct company connection? Is this to much?

Spongebob Squarepants: Nope;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment. I wanted to use this exchange as a means to discuss discourse on Twitter.</p>
<p>Comments from &#8220;Amanda Chapel&#8221; are on the edge of what&#8217;s acceptable discourse. The view, however, questions the value of certain activities on Twitter. Her scathing viewpoints were also directed at other people follow &#8212; and know personally &#8212; on Twitter. They acknowledged and did not choose to attack. You&#8217;re an accomplished professional. Why engage the other person at that level? </p>
<p>Twitter itself is a fantastic resource &#8212; so much that I spend my time indexing brands and conducting research as to the best use of the tool. </p>
<p>As for acting as the representative of a company: no, unless specifically defined, the account is yours and does not belong to a company. Let me share a quick story: I once posted a comment in a community about my experience with a certain vendor. It was fairly innocuous and did not single out one individual. After the particular vendor heard about my comment, it turned into a mess. (They don&#8217;t quit eunderstand social media, which is amusing as it&#8217;s a Web agency). </p>
<p>In looking to expand the way businesses can &#8220;join the conversation,&#8221; providing guidelines that the more tech-hesitant exec&#8217;s can follow is of great value. Now, it could be that I&#8217;m jaded by my law firm background, and if so, I&#8217;m envious of a position where my executives are less likely to care if I tell someone to go wank off (even if it&#8217;s called for!). Most companies have people that are authorized to speak to the press; as a journalist, would you jump on comments made by someone with a direct company connection? Is this to much?</p>
<p>Spongebob Squarepants: Nope;-)</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://blog.fluentsimplicity.com/2008/08/26/how-to-not-use-twitter/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 21:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Found this from the links on my blog. So..

You say: &quot;Dissent is a difficult thing to fathom for some people.&quot; Dissent - when someone argues their case, in a reasonable fashion that allows for the facts that (1) they may be wrong (2) you could be wrong but sincere about it - I find easy to fathom. It&#039;s outright antagonism for the sake of it, which is what constitutes trolling, that I don&#039;t get. But some people have a lot of time on their hands, I guess.

You say: &quot;I’m redefining my definition of who is the troll in this post.&quot; You seriously think that in not wanting to have a stream of obscenities and insults thrown at me, *I&#039;m* the troll? You&#039;ll have to explain that one in a bit more depth.

For me, since I&#039;m a journalist, getting results from social media means getting leads, encountering sources, getting new points of view. From that POV, Twitter succeeds for me. I&#039;m not there to market cereal. Others may have different views. That&#039;s OK. They&#039;re not obliged to use Twitter; if you think it&#039;s ineffective for marketing, please, don&#039;t waste your time there. But equally, don&#039;t tell me it&#039;s useless, because that&#039;s not my experience.

You say: &quot;If you represent a company, or list it in your profile, you speak for everyone, including the executive leadership.&quot; I think that&#039;s stretching it. If I leave my employers, do I have the same Twitter (or other social media) account? Yes. So is that account congruent with my employment? Clearly not. So while one would not look to disseminate company secrets, I don&#039;t think you can argue that what someone says if they don&#039;t in their profile *represent* themselves as *representing* that company is, well, representing the company. I say what my job title is. That&#039;s all.

Finally: can one insult a non-existent person? If my comment were aimed at Spongebob Squarepants, or FakeSarahPalin, is it an insult?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Found this from the links on my blog. So..</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;Dissent is a difficult thing to fathom for some people.&#8221; Dissent &#8211; when someone argues their case, in a reasonable fashion that allows for the facts that (1) they may be wrong (2) you could be wrong but sincere about it &#8211; I find easy to fathom. It&#8217;s outright antagonism for the sake of it, which is what constitutes trolling, that I don&#8217;t get. But some people have a lot of time on their hands, I guess.</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;I’m redefining my definition of who is the troll in this post.&#8221; You seriously think that in not wanting to have a stream of obscenities and insults thrown at me, *I&#8217;m* the troll? You&#8217;ll have to explain that one in a bit more depth.</p>
<p>For me, since I&#8217;m a journalist, getting results from social media means getting leads, encountering sources, getting new points of view. From that POV, Twitter succeeds for me. I&#8217;m not there to market cereal. Others may have different views. That&#8217;s OK. They&#8217;re not obliged to use Twitter; if you think it&#8217;s ineffective for marketing, please, don&#8217;t waste your time there. But equally, don&#8217;t tell me it&#8217;s useless, because that&#8217;s not my experience.</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;If you represent a company, or list it in your profile, you speak for everyone, including the executive leadership.&#8221; I think that&#8217;s stretching it. If I leave my employers, do I have the same Twitter (or other social media) account? Yes. So is that account congruent with my employment? Clearly not. So while one would not look to disseminate company secrets, I don&#8217;t think you can argue that what someone says if they don&#8217;t in their profile *represent* themselves as *representing* that company is, well, representing the company. I say what my job title is. That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>Finally: can one insult a non-existent person? If my comment were aimed at Spongebob Squarepants, or FakeSarahPalin, is it an insult?</p>
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		<title>By: fluentsimplicity</title>
		<link>http://blog.fluentsimplicity.com/2008/08/26/how-to-not-use-twitter/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>fluentsimplicity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Amanda. As I&#039;ve read your stream of comments, I have to say I&#039;m redefining my definition of who is the troll in this post. The level of BS on twitter is high: let&#039;s all discuss relationships and hugs while forgetting the fact that business is driven by results. 

I believe the medium offers both users and brands tremendous value, but people need to be mindful of comments. If you represent a company, or list it in your profile, you speak for everyone, including the executive leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Amanda. As I&#8217;ve read your stream of comments, I have to say I&#8217;m redefining my definition of who is the troll in this post. The level of BS on twitter is high: let&#8217;s all discuss relationships and hugs while forgetting the fact that business is driven by results. </p>
<p>I believe the medium offers both users and brands tremendous value, but people need to be mindful of comments. If you represent a company, or list it in your profile, you speak for everyone, including the executive leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: Amanda Chapel</title>
		<link>http://blog.fluentsimplicity.com/2008/08/26/how-to-not-use-twitter/#comment-503</link>
		<dc:creator>Amanda Chapel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles Arthur is a wank. And this post as with his is certainly testament to the old saw that it would one day render him blind.

Silly.

Regards,

- Amanda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles Arthur is a wank. And this post as with his is certainly testament to the old saw that it would one day render him blind.</p>
<p>Silly.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>- Amanda</p>
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